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Message 19925 - Posted: 15 Dec 2010 | 13:11:57 UTC
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Well I got one of these. They run HOT. The good news is it installed 1st go and was off and running without anything special. 6.13/cuda 3.1 app seems to run fine on them. The other good news is they seem to do work units in around 4 hours (times vary depending on work unit size).

I got the evga normal version. I notice both Palit and Gainward overclocked versions have dual fans in the centre of the card, unlike the reference design that has a single fan at the end (it’s woefully inadequate). If you are considering getting one they may run a bit cooler.

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Message 19974 - Posted: 17 Dec 2010 | 13:59:19 UTC
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From BOINC it says...

GeForce GTX 570 (driver version 26309, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 2.0, 1248MB, 1405 GFLOPS peak)

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Message 19983 - Posted: 17 Dec 2010 | 22:22:29 UTC - in response to Message 19974.

GeForce GTX 570 ... 1405 GFLOPS peak


That's so humiliating. My good old HD4870, which I got almost 2 years ago for a mere 160€ is rated by BOINC at 1.33 TFlops peak. Don't worry, though - your card contains more than 3 times as many transistors and can make much more flexible use of this raw horse power :)

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Message 19996 - Posted: 21 Dec 2010 | 1:58:16 UTC - in response to Message 19983.

I just put one in my machine and I can't get it to grab any tasks. I guess Ill have to play around with it a bit more. I have the updated drivers right off the website, is there anything else I need to do?

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Message 20041 - Posted: 26 Dec 2010 | 13:07:33 UTC - in response to Message 19925.

Well I got one of these. They run HOT.


So the initial wave of new product hype about how great the thermals are should have added (- "compared to the GTX470 which was really bad...") ?

I got the evga normal version. I notice both Palit and Gainward overclocked versions have dual fans in the centre of the card, unlike the reference design that has a single fan at the end (it’s woefully inadequate). If you are considering getting one they may run a bit cooler.


GTX570 prices locally seem to vary between $330-$390, Palit towards the bottom, Elsa topping the list. Any developing consensus on which maker has the special blend of OC, heat, noise, quality, warranty, price etc. that make it noteworthy?


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Message 20043 - Posted: 26 Dec 2010 | 17:12:45 UTC - in response to Message 20041.

It’s still too early. Manufacturers have mostly been releasing reference designs. While a few now incorporate factory overclocks or a dual fan, very few such cards are available. If you go to an online shop you typically see 2 overpriced reference cards for one reasonably priced card, and the price of a factory OC is often too high. It will take a month or two before there is a good range of cards, and with design variation a better price spread. Hopefully this will bring several cards at different prices ranging from a well priced GTX570 to dual fan/water cooled, factory overclocked GTX580’s with good warranties.

While the new vapour chamber is better than the reference cooler in the previous Fermi generation, this does not mean that the drivers are well designed; if the cards fan speed does not rise fast enough then the card will still heat up to undesirable temperatures. That’s down to NVidia. I set my fan speeds to keep my GPU’s under 70deg C and prefer them close to 60deg C.

Each cruncher will have their own preferences based on price, cooling, warranty and design; a dual fan might be fine for one or two cards but if you have 3 or 4 in the one system then exhaust fans are usually preferred, with a couple of additional case fans.

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Message 20051 - Posted: 27 Dec 2010 | 21:49:19 UTC - in response to Message 20043.

I appreciate the experience everyone brings watching this particular market, performance video cards in particular are new to me because I am not a gamer. Motherboards, CPU's, HD/SSD etc. I have learned (sometimes the expensive way) to lean forward yet stay one step behind the "latest and greatest" ulitmate product marketing machine, and try to exercise patience for cash is limited.

The GTX570 is the current performance/price sweet spot in the sub-$350 range, and runs cooler/cheaper/more efficient and better OC potential than the 470/480 cards. However, those same 470/480 cards are selling at a hefty discount now, so should they still be considered a contender for GPUgrid and reasonable purchases in the next couple of months as they are phased out?

Current 12/28/2010 Akihabara/online market prices
GTX470
OEM ref. design single-fan $190, Palit dual-fan $220, etc. on up to about $280 through MSI, Gigabyte, Asus, Elsa, most in the low-mid $220-250 range for air-cooled.

GTX480
varies from $260 up through $350 or more.

FYI:
GT240/GTS450/9800 ($70-100)
GTX460 768mb ($135-150) 1gb ($150-180)
GTX465 ($140-200)

I gather a new Radeon AMD/ATI may shake up the market soon ratcheting prices down, and future Nvidia releases. At what price point might any of these be tempting? Can a reasonable case still be made for getting a single 470/480 now?

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Message 20052 - Posted: 28 Dec 2010 | 0:59:33 UTC - in response to Message 20043.

Each cruncher will have their own preferences based on price, cooling, warranty and design; a dual fan might be fine for one or two cards but if you have 3 or 4 in the one system then exhaust fans are usually preferred, with a couple of additional case fans.


Fair points. I would like my next series of hardware purchases to be eventually leading towards such a 4-card setup, but step-by-step.

Currently I have 3 Nvidia CUDA cards available for BOINC:
9800GT
9800GTX+
GTX460 1gb.

and 6 PCIE slots:
-Core2Duo P5KE dual PCI-e, likely home of the 9800 cards.
-AMD Phenom 1090T 6-core 890GX dual PCI-e, this spring a dual 570 perhaps.
-AMD Phenom 955BE 4-core 880G single PCIE
-AMD Athlon 620 4-core 780G single PCIE

I love setting up new systems to the exasperation of my wife and the delight of my daughter who inherits the upgrade goodies, and playing visions of sugarplums and 890FX 4-PCIE -OR- Intel i7 1156/875K or 920 or wait for a reasonable 6-core HT Intel... but realistically my crunch farm needs trimming down and old AMD NF2 AGP stuff gets recycled out. I have to say my best purchase by far has been the trusty 1995 California PC Power & Cooling 10-bay E-ATX case that has seen many motherboards over the years and surgery to install additional cooling fans; this beast stays. Should I arrive at quad-GPU Nirvana I know which case gets the nod. For the moment it is more than up to cooling any dual-GPU config, but for the PSU. Just for grins, just what size PSU with requisite 4 2x6pin PCIE connectors would it take for quad 570's? 1500w?

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Message 20053 - Posted: 28 Dec 2010 | 1:21:06 UTC

I'd have to agree with the comments about the nvidia driver. If it was more agressive with the fan speed then they wouldn't get as hot. Instead you have to resort to using tools like Evga Precisison to set the fan speed, something the driver could and should take care of.

I haven't seen any of the Palit cards for sale, but would probably look at one of them next. Until they ramp up production nobody seems to be selling them down here. If somebody gets one please post how it goes with temps and such.

I'd like to standardise the cards the farm has and a single GTX570 in each of the main crunchers would do the trick.
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Message 20060 - Posted: 28 Dec 2010 | 17:42:09 UTC - in response to Message 20052.

Just for grins, just what size PSU with requisite 4 2x6pin PCIE connectors would it take for quad 570's? 1500w?

1500W is enough for quad SLI GTX 480s tested with Furmark. Only heavily overclocked quad 570s should consume this much. Although some safety margin is recommended, so 1500W is a safe bet. A PSU should not be loaded over 75-80% of it's nominal wattage in long term for security and longevity reasons. The PSU's efficiency is highest between 50-75% load.

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Message 20061 - Posted: 28 Dec 2010 | 19:16:19 UTC - in response to Message 20060.

Don't forget capacitor aging. I might be slow to upgrade, but I can't be the only one who has reused a PSU. I even had one reach the age of making a stable OC unstable (I've tested the other things, mobo, CPU, RAM). So even if you do overshoot, maybe you'll still have to tweak it later.
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Message 20064 - Posted: 29 Dec 2010 | 0:24:24 UTC

Looks like my shopping list is complete... motherboard for 4 dual-slot pcie, cpu/ram, 4 GTX570's, and a new 1500w PSU... simple, but not easy, only $2500 or so for your basic budget home supercomputer by recycling/repurposing a few parts.

Probably should upgrade the circuit breakers in my house from 30A to 50A or better before this, but step-by-step. Maybe I could generate some extra cash and justify the expense by "going green" and replacing my heater for the winter and cooking stove this summer, or even water cooling if the bathtub doubles as a reservior, the ladies in my life may appreciate my environmental ingenuity ;p Any other significant tips or pointers for the multi-GPU adventure I might have overlooked here?

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Message 20065 - Posted: 29 Dec 2010 | 0:33:44 UTC - in response to Message 20064.

and a few recipes for GPU/CPU/PSU grilled cheese sandwiches?

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Message 20090 - Posted: 3 Jan 2011 | 12:11:23 UTC

I've managed to get a few wu through now. Average times seem to be around 4.5 hours. You can see the tasks here

Seeing as I have to use Evga Precision to control the fan speed I figured i'd start playing with the GPU speed, which seems quite happy to overclock.
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Message 20098 - Posted: 3 Jan 2011 | 22:00:03 UTC - in response to Message 20090.

Hello everyone, first time poster here. Saw this thread and thought I'd share my early experience with the 570.

As a general rule, I never ever buy hardware that's just been introduced to the marketplace - too overpriced/bleeding edge/etc. Purchasing this card was the first exception to that rule in a long, long time.

The card is a vanilla EVGA model. Since the afternoon of the 30th, it's been running 24/7 with the shaders clocked at 1684MHz (a mild ~15% over stock...I'm sure it could go higher). Temps are in the low 60s in a MATX case with pretty poor airflow. So far, it's production is at or above the level of either of my dual GPU systems. And at $349, it's the equal of my 2 GTX460s from a value perspective (better, if you consider electricity costs).

Results here. Damn near 1 point per second of run time on many work units.

I'm now thinking I may retire/replace my GTX275s sooner than expected.

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Message 20101 - Posted: 4 Jan 2011 | 9:09:23 UTC - in response to Message 20098.

SMTB1963, Welcome to the forum.

While the GTX500 cards are just out, these are the second generation of Fermi's, so in buying one you did not stray too far from your sound standards.

I agree that one GTX570 is better than two GTX460’s for crunching here. The GTX570 would do slightly more work, costs about the same, be cheaper to run, require less space, needs fewer PCIE slots, leaves better system airflow with less heat produced and probably makes less noise.

If you sold your 2 GTX275’s and your two GTX460’s you could replace them with 2 GTX570’s, do about the same amount of work and yet use less electric. The electric savings would soon offset the difference between purchase cost and what you sold the 4 cards for.

Your GTX570’s results look consistently good; no errors, good run times and 5.039 ms per step for a GIANNI_DHFR1000 is quite respectable.

Good to see you put them on XP X64. Ideally you would have 2 CPU cores free on that system and use swan_sync=0, though you might already be doing this.
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Thanks for posting your observations.
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