Well I just put a 4870 online for this. I guess i will see if its worth it .
I guess if you dont need the GPU for real work it might as well do the bitcoin thing for you. I am a little leary about putting the other one over on it as well but if you would rather I can put 1 more on it as well .
I really wish I could figure out what is needed more , bitcoin or crunching for someone else. but as there is no way for me to know if all this stuff i am crunching is really needed at all I guess 1 GPU cant really hurt .
This Bitcoin thing is making my head hurt .
what i would like to know is , If the GPU,s are needed for other work is there some one that can tell us ? Money IS needed and if the bitcoin is Lo right now then it is time to get in . But if the GPU power is needed for real science how will I know ? Someone better informed than I am needs to let us , the people that just want to help out , know .

But if the GPU power is needed for real science how will I know ? Someone better informed than I am needs to let us , the people that just want to help out , know

This Bitcoin thing is making my head hurt .

what i would like to know is , If the GPU,s are needed for other work is there some one that can tell us ?

I decided to stop crunching BOINC projects at all.

If the community doesn't have neither self respect to not whore themselves for money in exchange for top points nor power to stop people from abusing the system I see no point in supporting it with my electricity and gpu hardware.

Donate@home has neither economical sense - since it produces less money than electricity used to create it nor scientific sense - since it doesn't discover anything.

Even worse it's directly harmfull to enviroment - if you donated that money instead of would be few seconds transfer and it's done. Transfering money through donate@home also will consume a lot of electricity adding to CO2 polution (or creating more nuclear waste) and dead GPUs which will be decomposing over next few hundreds years.

I decided to stop crunching BOINC projects at all.

If the community doesn't have neither self respect to not whore themselves for money in exchange for top points nor power to stop people from abusing the system I see no point in supporting it with my electricity and gpu hardware.

Donate@home has neither economical sense - since it produces less money than electricity used to create it nor scientific sense - since it doesn't discover anything.

Even worse it's directly harmfull to enviroment - if you donated that money instead of would be few seconds transfer and it's done. Transfering money through donate@home also will consume a lot of electricity adding to CO2 polution (or creating more nuclear waste) and dead GPUs which will be decomposing over next few hundreds years.

Thats a VERY good point! :)
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I decided to stop crunching BOINC projects at all.

If the community doesn't have neither self respect to not whore themselves for money in exchange for top points nor power to stop people from abusing the system I see no point in supporting it with my electricity and gpu hardware.

Much is said about Bitcoin in a standalone sense from the angle of starting up a Bitcoin cruncher for personal gain. The calculations for that are not hard, and the outcome certainly points towards uneconomic useage. There are some who still do it with large GPU Farms for personal gain, good luck to them if they can get it to work for pure cash. Personally I would not bother, bit dubious, but hey each to their own, its a free world as they say.

BOINC is a different prospect. Here the individual has switched on Crunchers for other reasons, they will - as such - always be on, the individual only then has to chose what to crunch "today". Does that change the economic model, no of course not, but it does change the real world useage into a full time hobby where the dynamics are wholely different. If the cruncher wants to crunch for science, go for it; numbers/maths/science? go for it; save the planet projects touting green credentials? go for it; ego chasing King of the World Tog Dog Credit guy? go for it. In all cases they are having fun, doing their thing, life goes on.

What becomes very tedius, is when one persons motivations are set against anothers in some kind of righteous mode. To somehow set a "green" project against a numbers project then triumphantly claim how dumb the number project is .... geeez ..... its so dumb, dumb beyond words.

You want to play the waste of electicity game - you know that simplistic calculation trying to show how dumb the other guys are? Try the upcoming PrimeGrid Project to find the worlds largest Fermet Prime Number. The number when found is going to be so HUGE it will take months just to verify its a Prime Number - let alone the guargantuan size of the WUs then are going to take weeks to run one of them, and likely a few months before a wingman verify's it. Planet saved ?? Nope. Greener at the end of it?? Nope. Science taking a huge leap forward after these several hundred computers crunched for months searching for the frigging thing ?? Nope.

Its just fun ..... to some people ...... remember that strange concept and activity called FUN ?? Its getting buried these days in all walks of life as drama seekers have a go at this that and the other, trying somehow to show how profound they are. You can usually spot them, they make a huge song and dance about it, the genuine ones - and more power to their elbow - just think to themselves "hey no way", and thats cool, dont have a problem with that.

(before an attack wings in re PG - yes it can be fun, pretty insane at times when you think about it - all that effort for one number .... why ... I have no idea, yet I still crunch away for the last three weeks Seiving the candidate numbers eliminatiiong the factors in preparation for the record attempt by the PG crunchers).

Life is not a competition (at least not all the time), if individuals want to go their own way, do their own thing, thats cool away they go - what is uncool is trying self justification for their decision plastered in neon lights. I'll probably think Mr X is a dumbass for crunching ..... whatever. Mr X probably reckons I'm an irresponsible planet hating moron for not crunching to save the planet. Frankly, tough. I have my reasons for crunching at GPUGRID, whether via models or Donate that have nothing to do with tree huggers or credit chasers or whatever anyone else does.

BOINC is a great place to do your own thing, so do it, whatever it is, and dont forget to have FUN. My reasons are my own, and if individuals dont like it, thats cool, we both go our merry way :)

Start yelling about it, and they can shove that where the Sun dont shine.

Regards
Zy

BOINC is a different prospect. Here the individual has switched on Crunchers for other reasons, they will - as such - always be on, the individual only then has to chose what to crunch "today". Does that change the economic model, no of course not, but it does change the real world useage into a full time hobby where the dynamics are wholely different.

I'm still not happy with the project, to me it sounds insane to burn electricity to generate a currency which is worth less than the cost of the electricity and the hardware needed to run the app. But since the project doesn't have to cover those costs, it's a win for them. All in all it doesn't seem very efficient and it takes crunching power away from real science. Maybe you should reconsider if you want to run this project instead of donating a few $$ to them.

Telling a BOINC're that crunching costs electicity, is like telling a car driver that a car expends fuel when running. It is of course a topic that all think about. If its considered necessary to point out the blindingly obvious, thats fine, just keep it third party language - do not make it a personal attack; discuss it without such silly motivations as you have done - particulaly on such a rediculously simple and blindingly obvious factor, that every BOINCre is aware of.

Whatever anyone feels, the majority of BOINCrs do treat it as a hobby to one degree or another, and there is an element of it that is factored into the use of the PC, thats reality, may not be what some individuals believe or think, but it changes no reality.

The above quote comes from someone who has made BOINC a profession, not merely a full time hobby. Further, he didn't just think to himself "hey no way" - he spoke up about it. I doing so, he's not acting self-righteous, calling anyone dumb, or trying to show how profound he is. He not only gave his opinion, he made a recommendation...one all those in the BOINC community should take note of.

Here we have lists of the most efficient GPU's. We inform the cruncher and encourage people to use these efficient cards rather than the lesser cards. This does not mean we exclude people from using less efficient/older cards.

Whatever anyone feels, the majority of BOINCrs do treat it as a hobby to one degree or another, and there is an element of it that is factored into the use of the PC, thats reality, may not be what some individuals believe or think, but it changes no reality.

If you are going to argue about contributing inefficiently at one project, extend that to all others.

Here we have lists of the most efficient GPU's. We inform the cruncher and encourage people to use these efficient cards rather than the lesser cards. This does not mean we exclude people from using less efficient/older cards.

All 3 GPU's Crunching donate@home now .
Good luck .

As i said if there needed for other work let me know and I will pull them off Donate and change them over . But I was reading over on the Donate Forums and I guess now is the time to ramp-up , I dont understand why but then i dont feel the need to understand it I just need info like that .
Buy Lo-Sell High , works for me ;p
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Now it's the time to crunch as the hashrate of the network went temporarily down, we have more probability to solve blocks.

http://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate
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Now it's the time to crunch as the hashrate of the network went temporarily down, we have more probability to solve blocks.

http://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate

Network hashrate cannot be directly measured.
Network hashrate is estimated based on observed blocks solved for a specified timeframe/difficulty.
Difficulty increased < 2days ago.
Adding processing power to the D@H pool ALWAYS increases the likelihood of D@H solving blocks.

My advice? What some chart says about the bitcoin network hashrate shouldn't even be on your radar. Join the project if you believe in bitcoin->GPUGRID.

Well I do not be-leave in Bitcoin . BUT if someone can use it for keeping crunching going then ok. You see I deal with converting Tarsand to Oil .
So I just want to give back to science because it just seems fair to me .
One thing I have learned from Big Oil is , when you can get it cheap , take it .
So if the possibility of " getting " bitcoin easy is better then I feel I should let others know that , even though I don't " be-leave " that bitcoin is real in my world . That does not make it something others cant use ;p .
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Not sure what all the discussion was in disliking a project!? We all have the right to crunch what we want! Now, I have to check out this d@h, just to see what all the flap was about!
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Talk about reviving an old thread! I think the majority of the problem is that for many people, it is better for them to donate cash directly, rather than spend electricity BitCoining, then donating the bitcoin.
It depends on your electricity cost.

There is of course what happened last week, with BitCoins losing half their value. One hopes GPUGrid did not have to many Bitcoins stashed away and did not lose too much.

There is also the opinion out there that BitCoins are being used as a way of money laundering, though it has attracted the attention of regulators recently so hopefully that issue will clear up.

But, as you say, it's a free choice, so if you want to, go for it!

I still would find it great when it could be possible to get a krone here on gpugrid when someone calculate a defined monthly or weekly (or whatever ^^) amount of credits on donate witch is like spending money ;)

I, as example, could bring 60M in full three months on my 7950 witch is soon "without" work from HCC and i would do that. At the moment i would activate it on Einstein or as replacement of the 4850 on MW to get a second card from my desk into play again for POEM too.
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