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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1957 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2667 - Posted: 30 Sep 2008 \| 10:37:28 UTC Last modified: 30 Sep 2008 \| 13:00:11 UTC
	The new applications will deliver around 30% more speed for GTX260, GTX280 cards using better hardware architecture. Approximatively the same speed as before for other cards. Thanks to Nvidia for letting us having the test cards. gdf
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Stefan Ledwina Send message Joined: 16 Jul 07 Posts: 464 Credit: 135,911,881 RAC: 56 Level Scientific publications	Message 2668 - Posted: 30 Sep 2008 \| 12:36:36 UTC
	That's great! Time to get some new graphics cards... ;) ____________ pixelicious.at - my little photoblog
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[FVG] bax Send message Joined: 18 Jun 08 Posts: 29 Credit: 17,772,874 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2671 - Posted: 30 Sep 2008 \| 19:01:58 UTC - in response to Message 2668.
	That's great! Time to get some new graphics cards... ;) me too ;)
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ExtraTerrestrial Apes Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Aug 08 Posts: 2705 Credit: 1,311,122,549 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2672 - Posted: 30 Sep 2008 \| 19:44:05 UTC
	Very nice! Now someone should tell Arctic Cooling that we need something like the Accelero S1 for the GTX 260/280 ;) MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002
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Kokomiko Send message Joined: 18 Jul 08 Posts: 190 Credit: 24,093,690 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2675 - Posted: 30 Sep 2008 \| 22:54:08 UTC
	When will the new application be available? With which version number? At the moment the 6.45 is very slow, I need over 10 hours instead 7:40 with the application 6.43. ____________
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Stefan Ledwina Send message Joined: 16 Jul 07 Posts: 464 Credit: 135,911,881 RAC: 56 Level Scientific publications	Message 2677 - Posted: 1 Oct 2008 \| 2:15:46 UTC - in response to Message 2675.
	When will the new application be available? With which version number? At the moment the 6.45 is very slow, I need over 10 hours instead 7:40 with the application 6.43. Do you use ncpus +1? I've made some tests for GDF and noticed a slowdown from 45 ms/step to 72 ms/step with Vista64 and ncpus +1. With Linux 64 there's no slowdown with ncpus +1... ____________ pixelicious.at - my little photoblog
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Kokomiko Send message Joined: 18 Jul 08 Posts: 190 Credit: 24,093,690 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2679 - Posted: 1 Oct 2008 \| 6:52:26 UTC - in response to Message 2677.
	Do you use ncpus +1? I've made some tests for GDF and noticed a slowdown from 45 ms/step to 72 ms/step with Vista64 and ncpus +1. With Linux 64 there's no slowdown with ncpus +1... Yes, I use ncpus=5, but I can't see any slowdown through this entry. Time per step: 41.451 ms Looks pretty fast. The slowdown comes with the beginning of the application 6.45. I've written the cc_config.xml 2 days later. ____________
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Stefan Ledwina Send message Joined: 16 Jul 07 Posts: 464 Credit: 135,911,881 RAC: 56 Level Scientific publications	Message 2680 - Posted: 1 Oct 2008 \| 9:40:13 UTC Last modified: 1 Oct 2008 \| 9:42:02 UTC
	Ok, you don't have to believe me. ;) But here are the WUs with ncpus 5 - 66472, 66791 - both with 72ms/step, and one weirdo ( 67339 ) with 180 ms/step. After deleting the cc_config.xml the times went back to consistent 42-45 ms/step, like it was without ncpus +1. After looking at your results I saw most of your WUs are in a range of 41-43 ms/step. I would think that your GTX280 should be a little bit more faster compared to my GTX260... We also tried that and a few other things on a test project with another app. and it showed the same slowdown with ncpus +1 on Windows, therefore GDF was asking for a nanosleep solution for Windows here in the forums... ____________ pixelicious.at - my little photoblog
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JKuehl2 Send message Joined: 18 Jul 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 3,233,174 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2681 - Posted: 1 Oct 2008 \| 9:40:40 UTC Last modified: 1 Oct 2008 \| 9:41:47 UTC
	Finally - it was worth buying the 260 in the end ;-) Is The app autodistributed or do we have to reset the project (when switching from 6.43 to 6.45 i had to..)
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Kokomiko Send message Joined: 18 Jul 08 Posts: 190 Credit: 24,093,690 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2684 - Posted: 1 Oct 2008 \| 21:17:41 UTC - in response to Message 2680. Last modified: 1 Oct 2008 \| 21:19:36 UTC
	After looking at your results I saw most of your WUs are in a range of 41-43 ms/step. I would think that your GTX280 should be a little bit more faster compared to my GTX260... I've checked again without ncpus-entry and now # Time per step: 35.748 ms The real running time was 8:24 instead the 7:40 with the 6.43, so it's still a little bit slower also without the ncpus-entry. EDIT: btw, with ncpus=5 the temperature of the GPU was between 71°C and 73°C, without this entry the temperature is at 79°C. ____________
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ayQue Send message Joined: 6 Sep 08 Posts: 18 Credit: 806,771 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2686 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 4:07:24 UTC Last modified: 2 Oct 2008 \| 4:52:06 UTC
	Nice! ..that are great news. Because I bought a 260² one to crunch for PS3Grid... ;-) So... let us know when the new version will be released :) Thanks and happy crunching... :) - Edit: ..dont know whether this is important. But keep in mind that there is a 2nd version of the 260 out with even more ALUs (216 instead of 192 ALUs..) :)
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ExtraTerrestrial Apes Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Aug 08 Posts: 2705 Credit: 1,311,122,549 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2688 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 17:54:21 UTC - in response to Message 2686.
	But keep in mind that there is a 2nd version of the 260 out with even more ALUs (216 instead of 192 ALUs..) and since in gaming it's just a few percent faster than the previous 260, it shouldn't be much more expensive. Right now this is not the case, but if things settle down properly than this might be the card to get. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002
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ayQue Send message Joined: 6 Sep 08 Posts: 18 Credit: 806,771 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2689 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 18:51:53 UTC
	quite right.. ...never the less - it might be that someone out there has already this card... even if it is too expensive at this moment. ;) ..so my post was just a reminding to think about this 2nd editin to be implemented, too.
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KyleFL Send message Joined: 28 Aug 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 786,046 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2690 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 19:59:36 UTC - in response to Message 2689.
	quite right.. ...never the less - it might be that someone out there has already this card... even if it is too expensive at this moment. ;) ..so my post was just a reminding to think about this 2nd editin to be implemented, too. The 260² you bought should already be the 2nd generation with 216 shaders. Should be ~10% faster than the orginal 260 My crunchtime with my 260 @ stock speed was ~9.8h --> Time per step was: ~41.600 ms. A little OC-action and I brought it down to ~8.8h --> Time per step is: ~37.500 ms That should be the roughly estimated speed of the 260² @ stock clocking. Cu KyleFL Btw -- 2x 8800GTs are faster than a single GTX260 :( 2 WUs every 15.9h (time per step: 67.500ms) My GTX260 needs 17.6h for 2 WUs. Now I just have to get that promised 30% speed gain to strike back g
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ayQue Send message Joined: 6 Sep 08 Posts: 18 Credit: 806,771 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2691 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 20:22:04 UTC
	u r right... it is the ²(nd edition) with 216 ALUs. :) lets see.. after releasing the new version optimized for 260/280 GTX :)
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KyleFL Send message Joined: 28 Aug 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 786,046 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2692 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 20:55:25 UTC
	Mehlano: How fast is your 260² ? Time per step and the time for finishing one WU would be interesting for me! (stock speed or oc´ed ?) How much did you pay? Cu KyleFL
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ExtraTerrestrial Apes Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Aug 08 Posts: 2705 Credit: 1,311,122,549 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2694 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 21:32:11 UTC - in response to Message 2689.
	..so my post was just a reminding to think about this 2nd editin to be implemented, too. Do you mean the optimization should be implemented for the new cards as well? I'm quite sure this should work automatically :) MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002
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ayQue Send message Joined: 6 Sep 08 Posts: 18 Credit: 806,771 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2697 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 21:49:20 UTC - in response to Message 2694. Last modified: 2 Oct 2008 \| 21:51:43 UTC
	..so my post was just a reminding to think about this 2nd editin to be implemented, too. Do you mean the optimization should be implemented for the new cards as well? I'm quite sure this should work automatically :) MrS That is exactly what I meant, yepp. :) Now we got each other... :P Uuuuh.. I bought the Zotac GTX 260 AMP² for 289 €. (ow my god..my hard earned cash :( ) ..and it's not even so fast at PS3Grid as I hoped it would be. ;-) (thats also the reason why I was so happy to hear about optimized app..) - Time per step: 44.576 ms - Time per step: 39.264 ms - Time per step: 40.022 ms ..last 3 WUs. Average duration time per WU is about 9 hours.. :/ For example.. with my old GPU (8800 GTS / 640 MB / G80) and the same system I had ~11k at the 3DMark06 (!) default benchmark. Now with the Zotac GPU it was about ~18k points at 3DMark06. It is the stock version .. but even the AMP version. (And yes.. this one is even more expensive than the standard ² version as well... and the default version could be oc'ed to AMP version, too. :)
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KyleFL Send message Joined: 28 Aug 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 786,046 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2698 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 21:52:12 UTC Last modified: 2 Oct 2008 \| 21:54:06 UTC
	Hmm. A very strange thing is happening on my host. I´m using BOINC 6.3.10 with default settings (no messing around with ncpu+1 or something like that) After I uploaded a new WU for GPU Grid today I found my PC crunching happily two CPU Seti units alongside one GPUgrid WU.... -- Can´t say what impact that has on the GPU-crunching time... I´ll have to wait until the WU is finished to take a look on the time per step. Cu KyleFL
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ExtraTerrestrial Apes Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Aug 08 Posts: 2705 Credit: 1,311,122,549 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2700 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 22:12:39 UTC - in response to Message 2698.
	Don't want to be rude, but this related how to "New applications coming up with 260,280 optimizations"? ;) MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002
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[AF>HFR>RR] Jim PROFIT Send message Joined: 3 Jun 07 Posts: 107 Credit: 31,331,137 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2703 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 22:19:06 UTC - in response to Message 2698.
	Hmm. A very strange thing is happening on my host. I´m using BOINC 6.3.10 with default settings (no messing around with ncpu+1 or something like that) After I uploaded a new WU for GPU Grid today I found my PC crunching happily two CPU Seti units alongside one GPUgrid WU.... -- Can´t say what impact that has on the GPU-crunching time... I´ll have to wait until the WU is finished to take a look on the time per step. Cu KyleFL Same thing on my computers! I will see this tomorrow morning! Jim PROFIT
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KyleFL Send message Joined: 28 Aug 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 786,046 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2704 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 22:24:48 UTC - in response to Message 2700. Last modified: 2 Oct 2008 \| 22:26:17 UTC
	Don't want to be rude, but this related how to "New applications coming up with 260,280 optimizations"? ;) MrS Thats something I want to figure out. I didn´t upgrade my Boinc to 6.3.11 or 6.3.12 nor changed anything on the configuration so I thought, maybe it could have something to do with the new applications, because that was the only thing that could have changed something... The new downloaded Wu has the name: UQ27568-GPUTEST3-0-10.acemd (Full-atom molecular dynamics 6.45 (cuda)). Is it possible that this WU has changed the behavior of my BOINC or is the error somewhere else? If it´s not related to the new applications coming up than I´m really sorry for misusing this threat and I will be very glad to drink the next beer on everyones health! :) Happy Crunchin, KyleFL
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Nightlord Send message Joined: 22 Jul 08 Posts: 61 Credit: 5,461,041 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2705 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 22:51:23 UTC - in response to Message 2704.
	If it´s not related to the new applications coming up than I´m really sorry for misusing this threat and I will be very glad to drink the next beer on everyones health! :) Happy Crunchin, KyleFL Well, I'll join you with that beer too, because I now have this same (welcome) behaviour too! I manually updated a few of boxes using BoincView and each one that downloaded new WU's now shows this feature. To clarify, no boxes run with the ncpus+1 setting, all run Boinc 6.3.10 and they are a mix of Windows XP32 and Linux. Two of my machines did not download new WU and have not started up extra CPU WU's. ____________
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Kokomiko Send message Joined: 18 Jul 08 Posts: 190 Credit: 24,093,690 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2706 - Posted: 2 Oct 2008 \| 23:48:10 UTC - in response to Message 2698.
	After I uploaded a new WU for GPU Grid today I found my PC crunching happily two CPU Seti units alongside one GPUgrid WU.... It's a failure of the SETI application I've seen in the past, too. Sometimes SETI runs further even though the BOINC manager has stopped the application. ____________
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Nightlord Send message Joined: 22 Jul 08 Posts: 61 Credit: 5,461,041 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2709 - Posted: 3 Oct 2008 \| 6:02:56 UTC
	My apologies for hijacking this thread: perhaps the last several posts could be moved off into a thread of their own? Anyway, the two boxes that did not download new GPU WU's last night (because they didn't need any more work at that time), have downloaded new WU's overnight. Those machines are now crunching an extra CPU WU too. It's not the science app failure that Kokomiko refers to because this is too systematic across more than one user and in anycase it is not a WU that is running on past 100%. In my case a new CPU WU was started on each machine. Just to confirm again I am not using ncpus+1: I am running stock boinc 6.3.10 it happens across both Windows and Linux platforms. Perhaps GDF will tell us what is happening? ____________
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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1957 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2710 - Posted: 3 Oct 2008 \| 6:42:57 UTC - in response to Message 2709. Last modified: 3 Oct 2008 \| 6:43:14 UTC
	The only thing I have done yesterday night it is a server update. This should NOT have changed the scheduler policy. Please create a new thread on this. GDF
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KyleFL Send message Joined: 28 Aug 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 786,046 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2711 - Posted: 3 Oct 2008 \| 7:11:24 UTC - in response to Message 2710. Last modified: 3 Oct 2008 \| 7:11:45 UTC
	The only thing I have done yesterday night it is a server update. This should NOT have changed the scheduler policy. Please create a new thread on this. GDF Ok, I´ll do so. I´ll create a new threat on that problem and - as promised - will drink a beer later on everyones health here for hijacking this threat! :) Cu KyleFL
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pbt-maxim Send message Joined: 5 Sep 08 Posts: 3 Credit: 1,524,993 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2718 - Posted: 3 Oct 2008 \| 8:45:44 UTC - in response to Message 2711.
	How can I check "Time per step" ?
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KyleFL Send message Joined: 28 Aug 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 786,046 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2724 - Posted: 3 Oct 2008 \| 9:58:07 UTC - in response to Message 2718.
	How can I check "Time per step" ? You have to take a look on you´re finished tasks: For example http://www.ps3grid.net/result.php?resultid=70401 Your Acount -> Computers (choose one) -> Task ID click for details -> The Time per step is hidden in the big text field. Cu KyleFL
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ExtraTerrestrial Apes Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Aug 08 Posts: 2705 Credit: 1,311,122,549 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2733 - Posted: 3 Oct 2008 \| 12:31:56 UTC - in response to Message 2711.
	and - as promised - will drink a beer later on everyones health here for hijacking this threat! :) Cheers mate :) Actually your question was not as unrelated as I first thought - it could have been related to new apps. I just assumed the new GTX 260/280 apps would get a version number update, so without further thinking I inferred that this new BOINC manager behaviour would be unrelated to new clients. MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002
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JKuehl2 Send message Joined: 18 Jul 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 3,233,174 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2737 - Posted: 3 Oct 2008 \| 12:50:41 UTC - in response to Message 2733.
	so when is the new app going to be released?
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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1957 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2751 - Posted: 3 Oct 2008 \| 17:45:55 UTC - in response to Message 2737.
	This coming week. gdf
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KyleFL Send message Joined: 28 Aug 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 786,046 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2756 - Posted: 3 Oct 2008 \| 18:35:02 UTC
	That is really good news. Here the promised drink on your health: Cheers to you all!!! And always happy crunchin! Cu KyleFL
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ayQue Send message Joined: 6 Sep 08 Posts: 18 Credit: 806,771 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2820 - Posted: 6 Oct 2008 \| 9:48:01 UTC
	hrhr.. :) nice picture... :push: ..looking fwd to that new release... \o/ cheers! ;-)
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Edboard Send message Joined: 24 Sep 08 Posts: 72 Credit: 12,410,275 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2838 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008 \| 6:29:02 UTC - in response to Message 2751.
	This coming week. gdf Have they already been released? There is a way to know if a task is a one of the new ones?
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ExtraTerrestrial Apes Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Aug 08 Posts: 2705 Credit: 1,311,122,549 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2839 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008 \| 7:32:37 UTC
	They'll surely get a version number update (current one is 6.45). MrS ____________ Scanning for our furry friends since Jan 2002
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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1957 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2845 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008 \| 13:43:32 UTC - in response to Message 2839.
	As soon as the situation with boinc 6.3.14 is stable, we will come out with new applications. gdf
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KyleFL Send message Joined: 28 Aug 08 Posts: 33 Credit: 786,046 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2854 - Posted: 7 Oct 2008 \| 18:13:29 UTC - in response to Message 2845.
	As soon as the situation with boinc 6.3.14 is stable, we will come out with new applications. gdf Is it necessary to use the 6.3.14 to benefit from the performance incerease, or do the new apps run with the older 6.3.10 as well? Cu KyleFL
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GDF Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 14 Mar 07 Posts: 1957 Credit: 629,356 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2884 - Posted: 8 Oct 2008 \| 18:29:32 UTC - in response to Message 2854.
	It might be better. gdf
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ayQue Send message Joined: 6 Sep 08 Posts: 18 Credit: 806,771 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 2906 - Posted: 9 Oct 2008 \| 8:50:18 UTC
	GDF... :) ..r u doing well bringing up the new app ? :) I'm so curious about it... :P
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TomaszPawel Send message Joined: 18 Aug 08 Posts: 121 Credit: 59,836,411 RAC: 0 Level Scientific publications	Message 3440 - Posted: 28 Oct 2008 \| 13:56:26 UTC - in response to Message 2697. Last modified: 28 Oct 2008 \| 14:04:20 UTC
	..so my post was just a reminding to think about this 2nd editin to be implemented, too. Do you mean the optimization should be implemented for the new cards as well? I'm quite sure this should work automatically :) MrS That is exactly what I meant, yepp. :) Now we got each other... :P Uuuuh.. I bought the Zotac GTX 260 AMP² for 289 €. (ow my god..my hard earned cash :( ) ..and it's not even so fast at PS3Grid as I hoped it would be. ;-) (thats also the reason why I was so happy to hear about optimized app..) - Time per step: 44.576 ms - Time per step: 39.264 ms - Time per step: 40.022 ms ..last 3 WUs. Average duration time per WU is about 9 hours.. :/ My regular Gigabyte GTX260 have 31.828ms and around 27000 - 28000sec per wu (7,5 - 7,7H) I pay 224 €. On 3DmarkVantage i have on 8800GTS512 X2333 and now i have X4000 :) I have q6600@2968Mhz and 4gb ram 2x2GB (424DDR2) and X38 and XPsp2 and 178.24
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