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Message 6684 - Posted: 16 Feb 2009 | 19:41:39 UTC

Hi all, just a few questions before I grab two more cards.

1. If I have more than one card in a system, would I need dummy plugs to trick the software to think there's two monitors? Or does BOINC automatically detect that there's two cards?

2. I'm looking for two cards, what's the best price/performance ratio?

3. Higher core/shader more important than memory when overclocking?

4. Is there a chart somewhere that ranks all the cards by performance?


Thanks all.

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Message 6693 - Posted: 16 Feb 2009 | 21:56:39 UTC - in response to Message 6684.

2. I'm looking for two cards, what's the best price/performance ratio?


Should currently be the GTX 260 Core 216, preferrably 55 nm. The 96 shader 9600GSO also has a good ratio, but that kind of defeats the purpose of buying 2 cards in the first place. We had quite a discussion on this.. can't remember the exact title though. "what's the best card" maybe?

3. Higher core/shader more important than memory when overclocking?


Yes.

4. Is there a chart somewhere that ranks all the cards by performance?


We also had a rough one, but it's quite outdated. Currently you have all chips prior to GT200 (GTX 260, 280, 285 & 295), e.g. 8600GT, 8800GT, 9800GTX. For them the speed is (for all practical purposes) proportional to the FLOPS, that is number of shaders * shader clock * instructions per clock. These numbers can be found here.
Within the family of GT200 chips the same holds true, but the generations can not be compared directly. GT200 has about a 30% speed advantage at the same theoretical FLOPS.

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Message 6694 - Posted: 16 Feb 2009 | 22:07:39 UTC - in response to Message 6693.
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I was thinking of grabbing two of the 9600 GSO (96 shader) since I don't have the PSU to run two of the 200 series. It would be either two 9800GT or two 9600GSO.

How does dual 9800GT / 9600GSO compare to the 260GTX Core 216 I have right now?

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Message 6701 - Posted: 17 Feb 2009 | 2:18:13 UTC - in response to Message 6694.

I was thinking of grabbing two of the 9600 GSO (96 shader) since I don't have the PSU to run two of the 200 series. It would be either two 9800GT or two 9600GSO.

How does dual 9800GT / 9600GSO compare to the 260GTX Core 216 I have right now?


see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_Graphics_Processing_Units

The 9600GSO is highly overclockable (lots of factory OC's available) so that it can break the 500 GFLOPs level and be very comparable to the factory 9800GT. With the 30% adjustment noted by ETA, the 260GTX 216 will be very similar in total performance to two of either of the other cards. Of course, if your PS can handle the load, others have successfully mixed and matched different NVIDIA boards (e.g., Paul Buck) to add computational power such that adding a 9600GSO to your 260GTX should be possible (and only 84watts max extra draw).

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Message 6707 - Posted: 17 Feb 2009 | 7:59:43 UTC - in response to Message 6701.

...... if you have multiple cards, SLi must be disabled & under Vista you will need to 'fool' the OS into thinking you have a monitor attached to both cards .... with the desktop extended onto both.

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Message 6754 - Posted: 18 Feb 2009 | 17:17:22 UTC - in response to Message 6694.

I was thinking of grabbing two of the 9600 GSO (96 shader) since I don't have the PSU to run two of the 200 series.


If you've already got a 65nm GTX 260 Core 216 on your power supply, you might be able to run a single 55nm GTX 295. For a bit more than twice the cost, it has a bit more than twice the performance of a GTX 260, but uses less than twice the power as a 65nm GTX 260.

The only disadvantage I've noticed is the relatively loud fan of the GTX 295 at full speed compared to the fan speed of a 65nm GTX 260 that's set to maintain the same temperature. That said, with good case cooling the fan doesn't need to run so fast and loud anyway.

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Message 6759 - Posted: 18 Feb 2009 | 19:47:10 UTC - in response to Message 6754.
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I was thinking of grabbing two of the 9600 GSO (96 shader) since I don't have the PSU to run two of the 200 series.


If you've already got a 65nm GTX 260 Core 216 on your power supply, you might be able to run a single 55nm GTX 295. For a bit more than twice the cost, it has a bit more than twice the performance of a GTX 260, but uses less than twice the power as a 65nm GTX 260.

The only disadvantage I've noticed is the relatively loud fan of the GTX 295 at full speed compared to the fan speed of a 65nm GTX 260 that's set to maintain the same temperature. That said, with good case cooling the fan doesn't need to run so fast and loud anyway.


All I have is a Corsair VX550W, so either way, I don't have anymore PEI-E cables. It only has two. :( If there was one more, I could have thrown another 9600GSO or 9800GT into this rig.

With both cards on stock, how does two 9800GT perform compared to a Core 216 260 (55nm)? Might get this over two 9800GTs: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130448

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Message 6762 - Posted: 18 Feb 2009 | 21:02:29 UTC

When Paul added a GTX 280 his system drew 160W more at the wall. In our forum some people reported an increase of ~100W for a GTX 260 running GPU-Grid. So.. overloading / killing your PSU is not a good idea, but generally GPUs draw less power than most people think after looking at their specs.

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Message 6764 - Posted: 18 Feb 2009 | 22:08:21 UTC - in response to Message 6762.

When Paul added a GTX 280 his system drew 160W more at the wall. In our forum some people reported an increase of ~100W for a GTX 260 running GPU-Grid. So.. overloading / killing your PSU is not a good idea, but generally GPUs draw less power than most people think after looking at their specs.

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It's not so much the power draw from the PSU.. but the fact that my PSU only has 2 PCI-E connectors.

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Message 6765 - Posted: 18 Feb 2009 | 22:22:03 UTC - in response to Message 6764.

That's what adaptors are made for ;)
BTW, what's your PSU and the CPU?

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Message 6766 - Posted: 18 Feb 2009 | 22:59:37 UTC - in response to Message 6759.

All I have is a Corsair VX550W, so either way, I don't have anymore PEI-E cables. It only has two. :(


If you could part with the GTX 260, the GTX 295 also only requires two PCI-E power cables, one eight pin and one six pin. I did a quick search on that Corsair VX550W power supply, and found the +12 V rail rated at 41 A. The recommended +12 V PSU current rating for the GTX 295 is 46 A. So close...

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Message 6767 - Posted: 19 Feb 2009 | 0:15:22 UTC - in response to Message 6766.

..... Manufacturers want to sell PSUs - I have a 295 and a 260 running on a 700w PSu, 2x280 + 260 on a 900w PSU .....a PC Power & Cooling 610 will run a pair of 280s.

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Message 6769 - Posted: 19 Feb 2009 | 1:32:23 UTC - in response to Message 6767.

..... Manufacturers want to sell PSUs - I have a 295 and a 260 running on a 700w PSu, 2x280 + 260 on a 900w PSU .....a PC Power & Cooling 610 will run a pair of 280s.

P.


I have a Q6600 and E6600 system. One Corsair VX550W and one Antec Earthwatts 500W. I'm not interested in spending money on a new PSU. I just want to work with what I have at the moment.

GTX 295 = $500.. I'm not really interested. I'd rather get a 260 55nm 216 for $200 to pair with my current 260.

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Message 6797 - Posted: 20 Feb 2009 | 0:39:02 UTC - in response to Message 6769.


GTX 295 = $500.. I'm not really interested. I'd rather get a 260 55nm 216 for $200 to pair with my current 260.


If you've the slots for them, going for a pair of 55nm GTX 260's offers the best performance at those prices. An overclocked pair can equal a single stock GTX 295.

Have you already got a 55nm GTX 260?

If you do, I would bet that your current power supply has just enough current available on the +12 V rail to power a pair.

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Message 6799 - Posted: 20 Feb 2009 | 1:41:14 UTC

1 - You will need a load on all video cards if you are running Vista. You do not if you are running XP. I do not think you need it for linux either but am not sure.

I would bet your VX550 would run a pair of 55nm gtx260/216's along with a q6600.

FWIW, some results from a kill-a-watt

a. b-step q6600 with 9600gso - 3 CPU tasks, 1 GPU task - 190W at the wall using an Antec ea380 80+ rated supply means 150 DC watts or less than 1/2 load. The only other things in that system are one hard drive, one optical drive and one case fan.

b. x2-4200 and a pair of 8800gt's - 2 GPU tasks, no CPU tasks - 203W at the wall using an Antec ea380 80+ rated supply = 160 DC watts or less than 1/2 load.

41 amps of +12v from that single rail VX550 should run a pair of 55nm gtx260's and a q6600 with ease unless you load your system up with lots of extra components. The only hassle is all the hard drive -> pci-e power adapters. One made a mess of my cabling in my dual GPU box.

I have a larger supply to put in the q6600 machine when I get a gtx260 for it even though I probably don't need it.

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