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Message 8094 - Posted: 2 Apr 2009 | 23:04:46 UTC

Get it here http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_185.65_beta.html

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New in Release 185.65:

  • Adds support for the new GeForce GTX 275 GPU.
  • Adds support for CUDA 2.2 for improved performance in GPU Computing applications. See www.nvidia.com/cuda for more details.
  • Accelerates performance in several 3D applications. The following are examples of improvements measured with Release 185 drivers vs. Release 182 drivers (results will vary depending on your GPU, system configuration, and game settings):
    o Up to 11% performance increase in Call of Duty: World at War
    o Up to 5% performance increase Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts
    o Up to 22% performance increase Crysis: Warhead with antialiasing enabled
    o Up to 11% performance increase in Fallout 3 with antialiasing enabled
    o Up to 14% performance increase in Far Cry 2
    o Up to 45% performance increase in Mirror’s Edge with antialiasing enabled
  • Supports GeForce Plus Power Pack #3. Download these FREE PhysX and CUDA applications now!
  • Numerous bug fixes. Refer to the release documentation notes.
  • Users without US English operating systems can select their language and download the International driver here.



More details on CUDA 2.2 available Here

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Message 8099 - Posted: 3 Apr 2009 | 3:06:30 UTC
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I just now installed 185.65 on my XP64 box. When it rebooted my mouse and UPS were not detected until I unplugged the USBs to both of them and reconnected them. It seems to be working fine now. Its strange it affected the USB ports it seems. I upgraded from 182.08
I have noticed the GPU temps have risen about 3c from 59c to 62c with new driver it seems initially. I had to speed up the fan a little.
It seems to be faster also, although it is too early to tell for sure.

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Message 8151 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 3:29:39 UTC

So I gather that they still haven't got the fan ramping up their speed properly with these drivers as the card heats up?
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Message 8153 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 8:06:09 UTC - in response to Message 8151.

I'd rather think Mark H. manually set the fan to a fixed speed to keep noise tolerable.

I also tried 185.xx (think it was .66 for Vista 64) and I can confirm a temperature increase of about 3°C.

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Message 8155 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 8:36:39 UTC - in response to Message 8153.

I'd rather think Mark H. manually set the fan to a fixed speed to keep noise tolerable.

I also tried 185.xx (think it was .66 for Vista 64) and I can confirm a temperature increase of about 3°C.

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Does the performance also increases and by what amount?

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Message 8158 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 9:48:12 UTC - in response to Message 8155.

I expect that, but since my card needs ~12h per WU it will take a long time until I can say anything definite. And.. this may not have been the most wise thin in the world.. I changed it from stock back to its OCed clocks.

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Message 8162 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 12:14:09 UTC - in response to Message 8151.

So I gather that they still haven't got the fan ramping up their speed properly with these drivers as the card heats up?


nVidia drivers do not influence fan behavior on the GT200/GT200b cards unless you've used the driver to set a fixed constant fan speed. When you use the cards the way they're designed, the fan settings are set in the card's BIOS. There is software that override the BIOS settings, but base behavior is still in the BIOS, not the driver.

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Message 8163 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 12:28:47 UTC

Ive tried to load them for my vista 32bit but it says file not found :s

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Message 8164 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 12:37:04 UTC - in response to Message 8163.

Yes, the link doesn't work any more. But you'd want the Vista-32 edition instead of the one for XP anyway. Just download the latest 185.xx beta for your OS and give it a go.

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Message 8165 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 12:37:22 UTC - in response to Message 8163.
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Ive tried to load them for my vista 32bit but it says file not found :s


Set the language on the Nvidia download site to english and you should get the 185.66 drivers which are from yesterday... ;-)
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Message 8166 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 12:40:08 UTC - in response to Message 8165.
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Ive tried to load them for my vista 32bit but it says file not found :s


Set the language on the Nvidia download site to english and you should get the 185.66 drivers which are from yesterday... ;-)



oi that worked, thank you :)

edit: oh well after deleting old driver -> reboot -> installing new driver the pc wouldnt boot anymore so i had to start in safe mode and delete the driver -.-

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Message 8167 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 13:09:01 UTC - in response to Message 8166.

Is that the Vista machine in your profile? It's 64 Bit, not 32.

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Message 8168 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 13:22:37 UTC - in response to Message 8167.
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No the vista machine is now an Xp machine ;P

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Message 8177 - Posted: 4 Apr 2009 | 15:26:43 UTC

I've got a performance number: from 69.1 ms/step to 63.0 ms/step. With an OC of 2%/6%/6% for core/shader/mem I should have gotten at best 6& higher performance, which would have meant a time of 65.2 ms/step.

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Message 8195 - Posted: 5 Apr 2009 | 3:07:25 UTC

So, now let's wait for beta GPUGRID application running on CUDA 2.2.... :-)
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Message 8196 - Posted: 5 Apr 2009 | 4:06:52 UTC

Yes it makes you wonder if there is some stuff in cuda 2.2 that could be used to reduce the cpu usage even further. Maybe a cuda 2.2 app?
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Message 8206 - Posted: 5 Apr 2009 | 12:37:54 UTC

Why would you want to reduce CPU usage even more? It's almost non-existent now and any further improvements wil require serious effort with minimal benefit.

However, if they could improve the client performance by just 5% .. now that would be a serious improvement! Basically, if you talk about saving some tens of CPU cycles, then improving the GPU speed would result in the equivalent of at least ten-thousands of cpu-cycles.

(I don't want to offend you .. it's just something which has been bugging me ever since the cpu-time discussion started: people apparently only look at the cpu time, as if they wouldn't understand what the GPU is doing)

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Message 8211 - Posted: 5 Apr 2009 | 13:47:42 UTC - in response to Message 8206.

Why would you want to reduce CPU usage even more? It's almost non-existent now ...


You are only speaking about the Win app, aren't you? ;-)

As nice as the Windows application is now, it seems the Linux app got forgotten when they made those changes...
When I started with GPPGRID and we made the first tests, Windows used a full core and Linux almost nothing. Now it's vice versa. The Win app needs almost no CPU, and the Linux app takes between 60-80% of one CPU core on my C2Q 6600 with a 8800GT and GTX260.

I know, you don't said that to me, but no, I don't only look at the CPU time. ;-) But if it is possible for Win to use less CPU time and give that time to other CPU projects, it would be nice if that could also be made for Linux again...
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Message 8214 - Posted: 5 Apr 2009 | 15:30:55 UTC - in response to Message 8177.

I've got a performance number: from 69.1 ms/step to 63.0 ms/step. With an OC of 2%/6%/6% for core/shader/mem I should have gotten at best 6& higher performance, which would have meant a time of 65.2 ms/step.

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How is Schizo1988 getting 30 ms/steps? e.g. http://www.gpugrid.net/result.php?resultid=494028?

Getting an average credit of 63K (although Boincstats suggests 80K) a day with a [4] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 (895MB) driver: 18565

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Message 8218 - Posted: 5 Apr 2009 | 16:01:11 UTC - in response to Message 8211.

Oh, yes.. sorry, completely forgot about Linux!

May be because the Ubuntu boxes at work are such b******, you can't do anything with them. Until you use some black magic, but I've never really gotten past sacrificing the goat. And I always forget if the monkey band has to dance clockwise or anti-clockwise when they're screeching the Monkey Island theme.

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Message 8219 - Posted: 5 Apr 2009 | 16:04:36 UTC - in response to Message 8214.

Well, he's got highly overclocked G200 chips with all 240 shaders.

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Message 8225 - Posted: 5 Apr 2009 | 18:30:06 UTC - in response to Message 8218.

May be because the Ubuntu boxes at work are such b******, you can't do anything with them. Until you use some black magic, but I've never really gotten past sacrificing the goat. And I always forget if the monkey band has to dance clockwise or anti-clockwise when they're screeching the Monkey Island theme


As I wrestle with getting my main rig to POST successfully, this made me laugh hysterically. Nearly snarfed my coffee. Thanks for that, needed it.

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Message 8315 - Posted: 9 Apr 2009 | 2:32:16 UTC - in response to Message 8214.

Extra Terrestrial Apes It's counter clockwise but how you discovered the secret to my 30 ms/steps is beyond me, don't tell me the neighbors called the police again to complain about the late night chanting and goat cadavers, there is no pleasing some people.

If you want to know how I am getting my numbers just ask, it's not a secret formula that I am trying to hide.

I am running Windows XP 32Bit, my Cpu is an i7 920 running at stock speed,I always install the latest Nvidia Beta Drivers available, my machine is used 99.99% Boinc and I am only running one other project which is ABC@home and it runs on all 8 cores while GPUGRID is running and it lists .24cpu 1 Cuda for all 4 jobs, I set the priority of my 4 GPUGRID jobs to Realtime or 24 (default is Below Normal or 6), so I have 12 jobs running, 8 are @idle(4) 4 are @Realtime(24), no other machine I have had would have even allowed me to do this, as soon as I changed the speed to real it would freeze up totally, but this processor allows it. I am assuming because they are only using .24 of each core it doesn't lock up. I am also overclocking my 295's using EVGA Precision 1.60 and my settings are Core Clock 686 Shader Clock 1496 (the site reports 1512)Memory Clock 1286 Fans 85% and my gpu temps are 63,61 64,61 Degrees C. The temps do seem higher with the new drivers.

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Message 8322 - Posted: 9 Apr 2009 | 9:43:46 UTC - in response to Message 8315.

Extra Terrestrial Apes It's counter clockwise but how you discovered the secret to my 30 ms/steps is beyond me, don't tell me the neighbors called the police again to complain about the late night chanting and goat cadavers, there is no pleasing some people.

If you want to know how I am getting my numbers just ask, it's not a secret formula that I am trying to hide.

I am running Windows XP 32Bit, my Cpu is an i7 920 running at stock speed,I always install the latest Nvidia Beta Drivers available, my machine is used 99.99% Boinc and I am only running one other project which is ABC@home and it runs on all 8 cores while GPUGRID is running and it lists .24cpu 1 Cuda for all 4 jobs, I set the priority of my 4 GPUGRID jobs to Realtime or 24 (default is Below Normal or 6), so I have 12 jobs running, 8 are @idle(4) 4 are @Realtime(24), no other machine I have had would have even allowed me to do this, as soon as I changed the speed to real it would freeze up totally, but this processor allows it. I am assuming because they are only using .24 of each core it doesn't lock up. I am also overclocking my 295's using EVGA Precision 1.60 and my settings are Core Clock 686 Shader Clock 1496 (the site reports 1512)Memory Clock 1286 Fans 85% and my gpu temps are 63,61 64,61 Degrees C. The temps do seem higher with the new drivers.


Awesome response, thanks for the info, I didn't know if you read the forums when I originally asked the question. Any reason why you have kept the cpu at stock? Stability? What speed RAM do you have? Do you have it tight or loose or default?

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Message 8324 - Posted: 9 Apr 2009 | 15:03:04 UTC - in response to Message 8322.

I think you will find that a large percentage of the people who are active in this project read the boards on a regular basis, you almost have to check them just to keep the software updated and running smoothly, and all of them are willing to offer any advice they can.

You ask about me running my CPU at stock speed and you have hit upon a nagging problem I've had since I purchased my new computer. I designed it on the NCIX Canada site and had it shipped insured by FedEx Overnight Air for about $140 but the invoiced weight was a little over 50lbs and no 8% sales tax. I will compliment them on their packing everything was secured with plastic ties and the interior of the case was jammed full of bubble wrap, nothing could move. I had problems they left out the adapters for the power supply to connect to the 295's, they each take a 6 and an 8 pin connection, I contacted them and got nowhere and was waiting for a reply when I called again and the support guy said wait a minute while I walk over to where they built it and ask the builders, and they were still connected to the test power supply as I did not order a system with one, and he over-nighted them 3000 miles by air. I was so relived to get it running, I ignored the fact that it was running way too hot, I have a Noctura NH-U12P SE 1366 cpu cooler and my temps are 65 Degrees C @stock for the CPU (some apps. list each CPU core @76 C but CPU low 60's I'm taking no chances)in a room kept at 60 F that is of course 100% Load 27/7, I never shut it down. So it is obvious that the Cooler is not properly installed, they ship the system with everything just as if you bought each component and put it together yourself, all the empty boxes, after all you may need the original packaging to get Manufacturer Service, but they left out one thing of course, the Thermal Paste, it includes a tube and it sells for $15 and I am really tapped and been putting off seeing if they will send me a tube. I purchased it planning on some serious overclocking in mind, almost went Liquid Cooling but I did go for ASUS Rampage II Extreme Motherboard and while I am running XP 32 currently I do have 6GB of Ram but it can't see it, another long story, it took weeks to get the Pair of 295's to run properly and this system just worked with no messing around at the time, now 64 bit version do as well, it's Aeneon Triple Channel DDR3-1600. I have also been really busy doing other stuff and the numbers from the 2 295's and the 260 I bought over the holidays that started me on this binge, produce such good numbers I have not made it a priority for just Boinc but with the summer heat coming I will soon, it even has an app. that asks if you would like to run your 920 as a 940 or a 965 with the click of the mouse it does all the hard stuff and changes the necessary settings and a $390 Cpu becomes a $1300 one, my 3 computers are doing about 100,000/day, from my screen name you may ascertain I have lots of free time, and for a few thousand that I inherited I moved to the top of the site, people used to have to run farms of computers with CPU's with GPU's it a new ballgame.

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Message 8469 - Posted: 15 Apr 2009 | 19:38:48 UTC - in response to Message 8315.

Extra Terrestrial Apes It's counter clockwise but how you discovered the secret to my 30 ms/steps is beyond me, don't tell me the neighbors called the police again to complain about the late night chanting and goat cadavers, there is no pleasing some people.


Thanks for the hint! I'll write it down somewhere where not even I can find it again, so no unauthorised neighbours stumble across it.

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Message 8483 - Posted: 16 Apr 2009 | 0:23:22 UTC - in response to Message 8469.
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And remember MrS it has to be the correct phase of the moon or all is lost.

No really I find Ubuntu way easier than Windows for the majority of things. Well until I got a DFI X58 T3eH6. I cannot even install any flavour of Linux except Ubuntu 8.04 LTS otherwise it kernel panics in the installer boot. Even the goat, minkey and moon do not help maybe there is some part of the ritual I do not know. I should ask Linus lol.

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Message 8490 - Posted: 16 Apr 2009 | 9:11:11 UTC - in response to Message 8483.

And remember MrS it has to be the correct phase of the moon or all is lost.

No really I find Ubuntu way easier than Windows for the majority of things. Well until I got a DFI X58 T3eH6. I cannot even install any flavour of Linux except Ubuntu 8.04 LTS otherwise it kernel panics in the installer boot. Even the goat, minkey and moon do not help maybe there is some part of the ritual I do not know. I should ask Linus lol.


On page 10 of this thread, I read there was a bios issue with installing OS's in certain configurations: http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/reviews/15827-dfi-dk-x58-t3eh6-living-review.html

Try using the latest bios

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Message 8519 - Posted: 17 Apr 2009 | 11:11:26 UTC - in response to Message 8490.

Thanks for those links :) that was a great post.

I added my trauma to the forums there but at least I see some of the issues I had others are having (not sure if that means my RMA will work now if it's all boards).

I did flash the ROM to the latest one during my installation ritual :)
TBH I didn't notice it improved anything but then I finally got it working after the flash so maybe it did help.

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