Message boards : Number crunching : Budget Cruncher, need input
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Is there any reason why I would not want to use a dual core processor with a machine housing 3 gt240s? | |
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Is there any reason why I would not want to use a dual core processor with a machine housing 3 gt240s? That will depend if your going to be crunching any CPU projects at the same time as GPUGRID but overall it will be fine. Make sure you have enough RAM 4GB recommended. ____________ Radio Caroline, the world's most famous offshore pirate radio station. Great music since April 1964. Support Radio Caroline Team - Radio Caroline | |
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Is there any reason why I would not want to use a dual core processor with a machine housing 3 gt240s? Was planning to use this machine solely for crunching gpu tasks. Any spare cpu cycles will be for serving up video files across the network to my htpc. | |
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it will be more than enough for that use and more. Happy crunching. | |
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i3 has Hyperthreading. 4GB RAM sounds nice. You've got a large budget for a budget PC ;-) Might I ask what Linux you use? You've got a really nice thing going with almost no errors. | |
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I'm currently running ubuntu 10.04. I've tried just about ever distro over the 12 years or so I've used Linux, but ubuntu has been my favorite cause its just so damn easy to use. | |
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Personally I would recommend an AMD processor for a budget rig. You can get a very nice quad core for the same price as an i3. | |
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I usually use this site HARDWARE-REVOLUTION if I need a quick refresh. He seams like he keeps himself informed of the general prices of hardware. | |
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That seems to be a decent site. They list the Phenom II x4 945 3.0GHz as the best processor at the $140 price point, which is probably the one I would recommend as well. It uses 95W of power vs 125W for the slightly beefier Phenom II x4 965 3.4GHz Black Edition, though with 3x GT240s I'm not sure how concerned you are about power conservation. Either of those processors would be a solid choice, and will outperform an i3. The more powerful quad core will leave you the option of running CPU-only tasks later on, should you choose to expand your participation in BOINC projects. | |
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You're quoting a thread from May 2010. Time doesn't stand still. If anyone asks me about what I would feel to be good value for Q4 2010, I would probably say an AMD CPU, Asrock motherboard, or maybe even a cheap version of a motherboard that uses a Lucid Hydra chip, not because of the mixed GPU capabilities, but simply because you'd get 2 or more PCIe x16 lanes cheap(er), & NVIDIA GTX460(s), for a budget cruncher. | |
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You're quoting a thread from May 2010. Time doesn't stand still. Right, my bad. The 945 is now $136 instead of $140. | |
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You're quoting a thread from May 2010. Time doesn't stand still. & there were tonnes of GTX460's back then too! ;-) ____________ | |
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AMD has some nice 6 core CPU, with a GTX470, you can run several tasks. | |
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I think the more power efficient 6 core AMD has a lot to offer, especially if you run 3 GPUGrid tasks; you can let 3 cores go into Turbo. Alternatively, their tripple core CPUs are good value. | |
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Does GPUgrid, have an ATI app., maybe later, or just out of the question ;^) ? They are still working on it ... we may see something fairly soon but so far it does not perform as well as nvidia cards yet ... I think the last report was it was 3 times slower. ____________ Thanks - Steve | |
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I think the more power efficient 6 core AMD has a lot to offer, especially if you run 3 GPUGrid tasks; you can let 3 cores go into Turbo. Alternatively, their tripple core CPUs are good value. Ditto on the AMD Phenom II 6 core, preferably the 95w 1055T. OCs like crazy. TG has it for $190: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6455299&CatId=4431 Team it up with an 890FX MB for a great system. You'll be able to crunch a lot of CPU work while the GPUs do their job... | |
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TigerDirect made an error on their info sheet. The only Thuban core that is 95W is the 2.7GHz 1045T, all the rest are 125W. | |
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TigerDirect made an error on their info sheet. The only Thuban core that is 95W is the 2.7GHz 1045T, all the rest are 125W. Before correcting someone you should check your facts. Otherwise you just look silly. The 95w 1055T has been out for a while but is often hard to find as it's being sold mostly in Japan (boxed) and to OEMs (unboxed). The OEM part number is HDT55TWFK6DGR (the one at TigerDirect), and the boxed part number is HDT55TWFGRBOX. Here's a review at Hexus: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 95W CPU review http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=26122 If you're worried that their current stock is not the actual 95w version call their comtomer service and have them doublecheck the part number. | |
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At the present time I think the AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 95W CPU offers the best value for money: | |
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At the present time I think the AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 95W CPU offers the best value for money: Can you link to some testing or project results that prove this out? I thought the i7-930 was still much better than 1055T for crunching. ____________ Thanks - Steve | |
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At the present time I think the AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 95W CPU offers the best value for money: Hope it's OK if I jump in here. Performance depends greatly on the project. On many projects The i7 will out-crunch the Phenoms on a core to core basis. On some projects AMD is king, for instance Yoyo where a $1000 i7-980 Extreme 6/12 core can barely outdo my $90 Athlon II 620 that doesn't even have L3 cache: http://www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo/top_hosts.php Notice the i7 920 and i7 930 CPUs are running behind a pile of AMDs. In other projects the opposite is true, just depends on the code. | |
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Jumping in is what forums are all about <grin> | |
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Jumping in is what forums are all about <grin> Depending on the HardWare you've available. Mobo's are very important, as they form the 'base' of a good computer.(ChipSet, I prefer one without graphics or sound, the X(38-58) type), QPI, DDR2/3,(Low-Latency)SATA600 & RAID 0;1;5, USB3.0. Low budget doesn't mean low RAC, c.q. valid production. Just have 2 Q6600's, 1 with 2 ATI cards, EAH4850 & EAH5870, 1 Q6600 + GTS250 (only one with VISTA HP 32BIT) and a QX9650, OC'ed a bit (3.4GHz)+ a GTX470 & GTX480, not to forget my HP LT (T2400 Dual-Core). All O.S.ses are Windows XP x86, except the above mentioned VISTA and 9650 runs XP64. Had a look at some stats and noticed, 12 hosts, haven't been able to merge them, cause they all have 'overlapping lifespan', ofcoarse, if they're used, permanent, just different O.S. When you switched from Windows to LINUX, tasks done 'under Windows'still have to be validated, while you're already running LINUX and crunching and switch back........ GPUgrid uses the GPU quite well, average load is 55% on the 480 and 65% on the 470. Einstein still has a too low load, so low, that you easily run 8 CUDA 3.1. tasks on a 480, takes more time cause 0.5CPU was used, instead of 1 core. So no 'real' speed-up, 4 tasks a card works, only results, in[i] messages like please remove the app_info.xml, in order to receive more tasks. SETI, also has a high load and 2 of them drives the 480 to 98% load. So I can run 4 CUDA and 4 on CPU. The fans of those cards can be quite noisy, due to the high airflow (and this rig uses ~600Watt, +/- 15%). Compaired to my ATI host, which uses 100-50Watts, less and GPU's throtles back to 15%, if no load, more throtling then NVidia, 30% , if no load. ____________ Knight Who Says Ni N! | |
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Can you link to some testing or project results that prove this out? Hi Steve, Unfortunately I cannot even remember which forum I read it in, but I remember the cruncher said he was surprised to find that his 1055T slightly outperformed an i7-930 when crunching at stock. No dubt an i7-930 would do more work for some projects and for some the 1055T would do more work, but having read some reviews I think it’s reasonable to say they are roughly the same in performance. However, when you consider the price difference and the running cost difference I would say overall the 1055T would be the CPU to get. I think an i7-875 has a 95W TDP, and would slightly outperform the 1055T for most crunching projects while using slightly less power, but the purchase cost is far too high (around £100 more expensive). As crunching is always horses for courses, all we can do is be generic and vague when talking about CPU crunching performance, unless we list pages of performance data for various task types. Here are two review links for anyone that is interested, http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1289/5/ http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=26122&page=4 | |
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No dubt an i7-930 would do more work for some projects and for some the 1055T would do more work, but having read some reviews I think it’s reasonable to say they are roughly the same in performance. However, when you consider the price difference and the running cost difference I would say overall the 1055T would be the CPU to get. Dealing with estimates & averages is useful, as it gives a rough picture of what is being used without the need to be promoted or adapted. CUDA is still not used by many even though it has a great potential. So if the 1055T is roughly the same for a lesser price of the i7-875 & the power consumption is also roughly the same. It means that BOINC projects are using the strength of what AMD has to offer over the strength of what Intel has to offer on average. ____________ | |
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Depending on the HardWare you've available... Hello Fred. I think the way you configure what you have is also important. These are two tasks you ran (XPx64, QX9650 @ 3.4GHz): 3098164 1963128 7 Oct 2010 3:10:40 UTC 7 Oct 2010 9:30:33 UTC Completed and validated 9,690.56 1,506.05 4,535.61 6,803.41 ACEMD2: GPU molecular dynamics v6.11 (cuda31) 3096955 1955180 6 Oct 2010 22:57:57 UTC 7 Oct 2010 6:53:23 UTC Completed and validated 13,270.66 793.42 6,016.70 9,025.06 ACEMD2: GPU molecular dynamics v6.11 (cuda31) And these are two tasks I ran (XPx86, i7-920 @ 2.66GHz Turbo Off, 2 GTX470’s at 715MHz): 3098941 1963560 7 Oct 2010 6:20:54 UTC 7 Oct 2010 11:46:04 UTC Completed and validated 8,381.19 8,389.64 4,535.61 6,803.41 ACEMD2: GPU molecular dynamics v6.11 (cuda31) 3098507 1955896 7 Oct 2010 5:00:13 UTC 7 Oct 2010 11:24:10 UTC Completed and validated 10,311.94 10,319.92 6,016.70 9,025.06 ACEMD2: GPU molecular dynamics v6.11 (cuda31) Your first task, that ran on your GTX480, is the same type as the first task I ran. My task ran 15.6% faster on my GTX470. Your second task that ran on your GTX470 is the same type as the second task I ran. My task ran 28.7% faster. While I just overclocked my GPU you OC'd your CPU. But the main reason for the difference is that I leave at least 2 threads free and use swan_sync=0. Not sure there is much point trying to comparing a 130W CPU, that is overclocked (about 150W @ 3.4GHz) in your dual Fermi rig to either a 95W or 105W Q6600 rig with two different generation ATI cards. The i7-920 however has a TDP of 130W. My i7 rig typically uses just under 500W and my GPU utilization is usually very high. When I have about 83% GPU utilization the power is between 480W and 490W, when it is 98% is can go up to 520W, and when I get the odd slow task it drops to about 470W. - Agreed Liveonc, for crunching here the GPU is key. While the CPU can make a big difference, any top CPU will do the trick; it matters little if it is AMD or Intel. So the less expensive and more power efficient CPUs are more attractive. | |
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