the 3xxx and 4xxx series are cheaper and run faster than the PS3, will they ever be supported?

the 3xxx and 4xxx series are cheaper and run faster than the PS3, will they ever be supported?

Unlikely, for sure not in the next year.
gdf

Worse yet. I just went and downloaded the new Catalyst drivers 8.8 for my HD3850. In the release notes (https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/gamesite/Catalyst_88_release_notes.html) I found this:

ATI's Folding@Home

Folding@Home is a distributed computing project designed by the Stanford University. The application performs intensive simulations of protein folding. This simulation will help researchers uncover how certain diseases develop. Folding@Home uses distributed computing to simulate protein folding, the workload is broken up into small work units and distributed across hundreds of thousands of computers over the internet. You can help find the cure to many different diseases! To join Folding@Home, follow these steps:

1. Download ATI's Catalyst™ software suite
2. Download the Folding@Home GPU client application
Note: The latest GPU client supports the ATI Radeon™ HD 3xx0 series of products only.
3. Enter the ATI team number 51394 and start folding!

For more information on Folding@Home visit: http://ati.amd.com/technology/streamcomputing/folding.html

on my P5E-Q9550-Win64-4 Gb DDR2-8500 / boinc 6.2.18-HD4850 512Mb catalyst 8.8, folding :

- gpu no success, but i will try soon under boinc 6.3.10

- cpu ok, but it take for one of my four core, and in boincmgr 2 wu on 4 core are used half on the same core.

i notice too the ccc=catalyst control center) and viewer failed sometime.

Half of the world is using ATI graphic cards. Isn't it worth to use that computing power also?? Guys from FAH already made it. I would realy like to participate in Your project but with my ATI card i am unable to do it. So i stick to the BOINC and wait for You guys to develop ATI client

Maybe this email from ATI might interst you (forwarded yesterday to boinc_projects@ssl.berkeley.edu by Dr. Anderson):

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Working with SETI@home development team to create a ATI GPU (graphics processor unit) accelerated version of your client (plus any other BOINC projects :-)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:48:34 -0400
From: Dodd, Andrew <Andrew.Dodd@amd.com>

...

ATI (now AMD) is now in a great position to work will a number of distributed computing projects that could benefit greatly from GPU acceleration.

We now have an SDK that will significantly help anyone trying to use the GPU for stream calculation.

I've attached a link to the AMD Stream website (which includes a link to the SDK), as well the AMD Stream user guide to give a quick over-view of things.

http://ati.amd.com/technology/streamcomputing/

We'd love to work with SETI@home or any other project that uses BOINC (if you could forward this to boinc_projects@ssl.berkeley.edu, it would be greatly appreciated as well).

Thanks very much for your time,

Andrew

Any status update on this case guys? There are milions of ATI cards out there just waiting to be used.

GDF the project admin already said that it is unlikely, and for sure not in the next year. (See the 2nd post in this thread)

The CUDA app is still in beta and we try a few things. Also the CUDA capable BOINC clients still have some bugs that needs more work from the devs.

It doesn't help if someone asks every few weeks... ;)


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I'm also willing to use my ATI to join your project. You can count on me if the port is ever done. I'll keep an eye just in case. Meanwhile, i'll keep on crunching WU on IBERCIVIS and folding@home...

jordi

hello

ATI Stream comes on 10 December 2008 with Catalyst 8.12
http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/grafikkarten/ati/2008/november/ati_stream_jedermann_dezember/
In English:
http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerbase.de%2Fnews%2Fhardware%2Fgrafikkarten%2Fati%2F2008%2Fnovember%2Fati_stream_jedermann_dezember%2F&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en

can you Support it? I will Crunch with my HD4870!

Thanks

Good news to the ATI fans!!

The next version of BOINC (6.8) they will add support to the ATI GPUs. They put it on the Roadmap with this Note: "The turn around for this release is expected to be pretty quick". So.. we need to wait a little more!

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/roadmap

The only project with a known ATI application right now is Milky Way. And then only for the 38x0 and 48x0 cards. MW may be doing an OpenCL or CUDA version of their application also. The ATI application is not that well integrated and there are issues with running it right now.

Einstein@Home has indicated that they have a GPU application in the works, but the information is more confused as to which version will be first on the block. The way I read the post they have several of the APIs in development with maybe the CUDA application in the lead.

If and when OpenCL matures and we get a couple applications done with it, well, then we will know if it is better to build native or use the more portable API ...

I just do not see why there is only one project that runs the ATI structure. It really seems a waste of time to exclude a significant amount of people from using very powerful cards to do work. This is not just aimed at GPU grid but the projects in general.
I do run MW@H now, but quite frankly am getting sick of it because there is hardly any work. I consider myself lucky if I get a total or 20-30 minutes running time per day.
I am fully aware that F@H also runs the ATI apps, but I have issues with how F@H is run and how they portray themselves to the other projects and even their members. They have been considered the 'bastard exiled stepson' of boinc for many years and I refuse to support them.

Guys from F@H did it. Guys from MilkyWay managed to do it. They didn't wait for OpenCL they just took advantage of the fact that half of the people is using ATI gpu based cards, and theese cards are just running idle, just waiting for some work. Just look at the statistics fo MilkyWay computing power. And they are not able to provide the WUs for all those ATI cards. So there is plenty of room for other projects. Folding proteins on ATI is possible and the F@H proved it. So there is no excuse like:

"The reason that no other project is using ATI card at the moment is that they are not ready. You can port only very simple applications or you have to let them do the port for you. Their hardware is moving towards better computation, but it still not there. It's not just peak performance, you need to be able to use those flops in a sensible way. For ATI, we need to wait for OpenCL and see how they perform then."

The folding simulation is quite complexed one and as seen in F@H, ATI cards are capable of running such app without OpenCL. If F@H could do that, why can't You?? Maybe You should cooperate a little bit closer with guys from ATI?

Any news Guys? Pepole with ATI cards are crunching MW Wu's like crazy and there is a lot of computing power still left. For CUDA there are several other projects so there will be more competition for CPU cycles (recently AQUA joined with GPU app)

Guys stop asking for support for ati cards.
Just accept the choice from the project admins not all projects benefit from the ati cards.
We just need to be patient a bit more since more and more people want to contribute with their hardware, i just hope every project admin takes the time to see if its possible to do so on another brand of gpu.

If they don't then accept it and move on, lets show some respect to their choice.

If the choice is made we make the choice which we are going to help out, remember we are the ones paying the electric bill not them ;)
But i accept the choice made from every project admin
The only project which need to be pushed towards gpu work is CPDN ;), those guys simply to lazy to rewrite their crappy old fortran code ;)

Rewriting the code should apply to all projects (since inefficient code couses us to waste the money on electricity bill instead of upgrading our machines). I just see that more projects are about to use CUDA (AQUA@home recently) and theire giving better deadlines for WU (my card is unable to meet the deadline for GPUGrid). So there will be a lot of competition between projects for the computing power. And the GPUGrid acts like it doesn't care. Right now the only project capable of using ATI cards is MilkyWay (F@H is not a boinc project) and You can see how much they gained. I just don't understand the choices of GPUGrid (and as i do not understand, it is hard for me to accept). It seems that GPUGrid is for the people with fast/new nvidia cards. So the owners of the slower nvidia cards and owners of ATI cards are not the target for GPUGrid...

On the below graph you can see the RAC of the GPUGrid



You cna see the point when SETI and AQUA launched their CUDA apps :D

I really would like to perform some work for GPUGrid as i think this project is more important than searching for the ETI or simulating the quantum computer. But unfortunately the project is beyond my limits (i am now finishing the first WU for AQUA CUDA and it is mainly because my card is good enough to meet the deadline, which is a month or so, not a week like it does in GPUGrid).

So maybe You should make a petition to ATI guys :D i would gladly sign it :D

Hi,
don't get us wrong, we do care, but unfortunately our complex application is not portable on ATI with their current software support.

gdf

Gipsel helped them :D http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/ and since you guys don't need double precission (like MW does) maybe You can benefit from ATI cards. Since there are alreday 5 projects using CUDA and only two using ATI. It will be more compettion for you on the CUDA power :D You really should consider creating ATI app...

any sign of the petition to the ATI guys??

Is anything moving in that topic? Do You guys even try to create ATI app??

Do any of you asking for an ATI version want to contribute enough of a donation to allow hiring a computer programmer already specializing in whatever computer languages are already available for writing ATI card programs? Or would you prefer to wait for ATI/AMD to offer suitable compilers to allow using more familiar computer languages to write programs for ATI cards?

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/milestone/6.10

Great news, I have 3 opencl capable ati cards waiting :D

The only project which need to be pushed towards gpu work is CPDN ;), those guys simply to lazy to rewrite their crappy old fortran code ;)

The only project which need to be pushed towards gpu work is CPDN ;), those guys simply to lazy to rewrite their crappy old fortran code ;)

http://developer.amd.com/GPU/ATISTREAMSDKBETAPROGRAM/Pages/default.aspx

is it the news we were waiting for?

maybe you could send in a request as a research organization. Maybe that'll speed up the process :)

Got a new ATI 4650, alas not supported...would like to get support

From who? ATI isn't providing enough software support for preparing programs to run on their graphics cards yet, so expect very few BOINC projects to put in the extra effort required to get past their lack of support before this changes.

The new ATI 5xxx series are openCL capable and there is increasing number of BOINC projects with CUDA support which means more competition for the GPU cycles. Just look at the Collatz or MilkyWay pojects. They are able to produce an ATI app and You can see how much work they're doing right now. Still the Folding@Home is also using the ATI cards....

work is in progress ...

http://www.gpugrid.net/forum_thread.php?id=1458
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Thanks - Steve

Maybe talking to the guys from F@H would help? They produced app for ATI cards. So maybe they can guide You?

Yeah I can see that Nvidia will no longer let a person use the crunching power that you paid for with the 480 series card. Go figure.

Maybe its now time to get serious about ATI power.. :)


DD,

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I believe you wrote that one of the problems in starting an AMD/ATI version is the lack of a certain FFT function.

An AMD/ATI OpenCL math library that MIGHT help:

http://developer.amd.com/gpu/appmathlibs/Pages/default.aspx

Contains some FFT functions, so could you look it over and let us know if it contains something suitable for the missing function?